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    • #20150
      Oliver Shaw
      Moderator

      The Bell insignia.

      The official view  –  which has been stated several times  –  seems to be that it represents the legendary Bells of Aberdovey,  since Aberdovey is where the prototype was first demonstrated with a view to adoption by the local club,  who did indeed adopt the class.   (There had been an earlier demonstration of the prototype at Newtown Creek for Gp Capt Haylock,  Editor of Yachting World,  who had commissioned the design,  but Aberdovey was the location for the first “public” demonstration.)

      Numerous members have suggested from time to time that the Bell insignia is related to Bell Woodworking,  who were the first commercial builder of the Class (after Jack Holt’s own prototype).

      Both would seem to be right.

      The minutes do not record the reason for the choice of Class Insignia,  only the decision,  so the Minutes do not answer that question.   The relevant part of the actual Minute,  from the first official meeting on 11th November 1951, reads, “The Class Insignia to be adopted was discussed at some length and after some opposition it was proposed, seconded and resolved by a large majority that a ‘BELL’ be adopted.   It was generally agreed that the present title of Yachting World General Purpose 14’ was unwieldy and that it would be an advantage if in due course this class could be known as the ‘Bell’ class.”

      However, 50 Years On The Water, referring to the initial trials at Aberdovey,  records (page 19),  “…  the Bell Woodworking Company was invited to bring down one of their new mass produced plywood dinghies for a trial.  …   …  One snag remained,  what type of insignia would be shown on the sail?   The manufacturer already had a Bell logo displayed.  This dilemma was finally resolved at a later date.”   

      As a third document,  Gp Capt Haylock,  recounting how he commissioned the design,  wrote that,  “Dusty Pollock  …  undertook to produce the ‘Build-her-Yourself’ set of parts.   He sailed at Abderdovey and the Aberdovey SC was the first club to adopt the GP as a club boat.   As no-one had thought of an insignia,  we adopted the Bell (Bells of Aberdovey),  nothing to do with Bell Woodworking & Co.,  which caused some confusion.”   (ibid. p.12)

      So there is some apparent contradiction in the documentary evidence.    At that point,  taking all the evidence together with the official tradition,  my own personal initial best guess was that the Bell may have originated with Bell Woodworking,  but that the “Bells of Aberdovey” was probably a very convenient and politically more correct solution to the problem of satisfying those who did not want their boats to carry commercial advertising,  in a way which kept most parties happy

      Then Graham Knox emailed me on 23/4/20 to say “Of course no one can really know the full truth about the origin of the bell emblem. Perhaps the reality is that, because the directors of Bell Woodworking (originally making kits for bee-hives) had existing contacts with Aberdovey, they decided to adopt the symbol themselves. Certainly Searson Thompson denied the emblem resulted from the company’s name.

      “Now I also remember being told (by a Past RYA Chairman) that the prototype had first been launched at Aldenham Sailing Club, near Elstree (a club founded in 1920), which is very probable and done in a private manner.”

      In the light of both Graham Knox’s and Gp Capt Haylock’s comments,  I now wonder whether it is possible that Bell Woodworking themselves derived the use of the Bell  –  and perhaps even the company name  –  from the Bells of Aberdovey.   If so,  that would indeed “square the circle”.

       

      Oliver

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    • #20151
      Oliver Shaw
      Moderator

      The 1951 Minutes refer to a discrepancy between the Jack Holt plans and the Yachting World plans for the boat, but do not record the details.

      It is known that at least some early boats were built with 4 frames instead of 5,  and reputedly with thicker plywood.   The minutes make no mention of this,  and it is not clear whether this is the discrepancy between the two sets of plans referred to,   but the Minutes of the AGM record that it was agreed to increase the tolerances sufficiently to accommodate both versions;   this suggests that the discrepancy mentioned was only a small dimensional difference,  rather than a major structural disparity in the number (and position) of the frames.

       

      Oliver

    • #20152
      Oliver Shaw
      Moderator

      Spinnakers were controversial for a very considerable time.

      A proposal at the first AGM,  27 January 1952,  not to allow spinnakers was defeated;   however a second proposal not to allow them that season and not to review again at the next AGM was carried.

      At the second AGM,  on 4th October the same year,  (and,  yes,  we have already spotted that they cannot both be Annual General Meetings when they had two in the same year,  but there you go …)  despite the previous resolution not to review again at the next AGM they nonetheless did so;   however it is not entirely clear whether “not to review” applied only to the decision in respect of the 1952 season,  now passed,  or to the entire question of spinnakers.   The Meeting confirmed the adoption of spinnakers, but not for 1953 Nat. Champs; carried by just one vote, 19:18.   A separate motion for a poll of members, and for Committee to have power to rescind the decision to allow spinnakers in the light of the poll result, was carried unanimously. The subsequent poll was 49:36 against, but Committee decided not to rescind the AGM decision.

      Minutes for 1953 record that Spinnakers were not to be allowed in Championships, and individual clubs were to make a clear ruling on whether to allow them for club racing.

      The 1959 Minutes record a request from Dale YC to clarify the rule on spinnakers, asking that they be either universally allowed or universally banned;   the resulting decision was that they be permitted from January 1961. The Secretary then received a formal request from the required number of Members for a Special General Meeting,  to consider reversing decision to allow spinnakers.   That was resolved by agreement to hold a postal ballot of Members instead.

      The 1960 Minutes record that the spinnaker ballot result was YES (729:551),   they may be used from 1961.

       

      Oliver

    • #20154
      Oliver Shaw
      Moderator

      Draughting and Building the first GPs:

      Gp. Cap. Haylock,  who commissioned the design,  wrote in 50 Years On The Water (pp. 11-12) that Jack Holt was his fourth choice of designer,  after Charles Nicholson,  Jack Laurent Giles,  and O’Brien Kennedy had successively submitted plans,  all of which failed to please Haylock.   He then approached Jack Holt and “When I gave him my lengthy list of requirements he seemed unperturbed and not in the least put out.  …  Within two days he was back with a set of plans.”

      However Graham Knox,  a past President and also a past Hon. Secretary of the Association,  and a man who has been intimately involved with the Association for probably longer than anyone else still alive,  recently told me that Jack didn’t design the boat,  as such;   he first built the boat,  using whatever suitable timber he had to hand in his workshop,  and only after it was built did he draw the plans.   That is why certain features,  such as the seat knees,  are the shape and size which they are.

      Haylock then goes on to write (ibid. p.12) “A week later Jack telephoned to ask whether I was sailing anywhere … that weekend.   I wasn’t,  so he said that,  if convenient,  he would meet me at Hamble,  my home port,  and rang off.   When I arrived that Friday afternoon there was Jack,  standing beside – guess what – the GP14 prototype,  rigged and ready to launch.”

      On a separate matter,  the original design for the rudder blade (the original spoon blade shape) had it swept back,  as was quite usual for boats of that period,  but in 1963 the rules were changed to allow it to drop to bring the leading edge vertical.   Life Member David Gilbert emailed me on 31/1/19:  “Back in the days when there was a GP Association members’ meeting at the London Boat Show,  there was discussion about a rule change to permit the rudder blade to go down to make the front edge vertical.  Jack (Holt) attended, and after the meeting I recall overhearing Jack saying that this was a nonsense, as the draughtsman who drew the plans (note that Jack did not draw them himself) drew the rudder blade swept back (only) in order to fit it on the drawing!”

       

      Oliver

    • #20180
      Oliver Shaw
      Moderator

      Shroud attachment:

      The original design had the shrouds attached above deck,  usually with either bottlescrews (tubular) or rigging screws (open),  and with the chainplates brought up through the deck.    That was standard practice at that time.

      Indeed when I was returning my vintage GP (Snowgoose,  no. 64,  dating from 1951) to authentic 1951 specification,  this was one of the features which I reinstated.   I was immensely fortunate in being able to acquire a pair of original chainplates complete with the Bell emblem stamped into them.

      A number of Rule changes were made at the end of 1952,  including one to permit shrouds to be brought down through the deck.   However it was to be several years before that arrangement became the norm.   My own first GP,  no. 3239 and built in 1959,   had above-deck attachment,  and this was still absolutely normal at the time.

      Indeed in the late sixties I was  on the permanent staff of a sailing school,  and if memory serves correctly all our various dinghies had the shrouds attached above deck.    Apart from the Fireflies which I sailed at university,  the first boat I ever met with below-deck attachment was my second GP,  no. 4229,  built in 1961 and purchased by myself in 1967,  and at that time I regarded that arrangement as unusual.    And even then,  the shrouds were connected to the chainplates by rigging screws,  and the forestay likewise;   the rig was set up by adjusting these rigging screws,  the headsail was hanked onto the forestay,  and the headsail halliard was used only to pull up the sail.

      The practice of using the genoa halliard to tension the rig came after the introduction of the genoa in 1967,  and Highfield levers were permitted from 1969.    I am not sure when (pre-set) vernier adjusters (or simpler ones) came to generally replace rigging screws.

       

      Oliver

    • #20289
      Oliver Shaw
      Moderator

      Fenn & Wood boats

      See also the earlier post on this forum,  and the ensuing string,  https://www.gp14.org/topic/fenn-and-wood-gp-14/  which features two highly modified Fenn & Wood GP14s;   one as a Thames launch,  complete with aft cabin,  and the other being the Meteor Sportsboat developed from the GP14 at the instigation of Donald Campbell and intended for waterskiing.   Fenn & Wood were a well-known and highly respected builder in the early years,  and John Fenn was part of the Bluebird project with Donald.

      Meteors do periodically come up on the second-hand boats market,  restored or otherwise,  so it seems that a significant number were produced;  an internet search on Fenn & Wood Meteor produces several adverts for these boats for sale.

       

       

      Oliver

    • #20300
      Oliver Shaw
      Moderator

      Jack Holt Ltd.

      We of course know that Jack Holt was the designer of our class,  and most of us know that he was also a boat builder,  and the man who built the prototype.   And of course Jack Holt Ltd was his company,  although I suspect that this was at a slightly later date.

      It was therefore a surprise to receive some scanned sales brochures recently,  dated 1963,  for Jack Holt Ltd. and marketing the GP14,  in which it was clearly stated that the boats were built by Fenn & Wood.   The latter were of course a highly respected boat builder of that time,  but until seeing these scans I had always assumed that Jack Holt Ltd had done their own building,  and that the two firms were commercial rivals.

      It was also of interest to see that Jack Holt Ltd were also marketing kits of wooden parts for amateur construction,  again made by Fenn & Wood,  and that these appear to be designed for assembly in a very similar way to the Bell Woodworking method.

       

      Oliver

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    • #20311
      Oliver Shaw
      Moderator

      More on Jack Holt

      A private email today from Graham Knox,  posted with his permission:

      “I have just read your update of the early days and Jack.   While I am struggling with dates,  Jack did get involved with plastic moulded GPs.   He had found a Plastics moulding business in Todmorden.   In fact I worked at Barclays in Todmorden in the 1980s and occasionally bumped into Jack at the local pub at lunchtime.   So I did get to know him (and, indeed, his son John).   The moulded boats went to Richard Estaugh and eventually he took that over and later transferred it down to Aldridge.   The staff who worked for Jack went on become the business that is now Woodwind,  undertaking many repairs.   It is still located in the three storey mill (on the 2nd and 3rd stories!) that was the old fire station.”

      For newer members of the Association,  it may be of interest to fill in the information about Richard Estaugh.    He was World Champion on multiple occasions from 1979 to 2000 and National Champion similarly but over an even longer period,  and the owner of Speed Sails,  who built and marketed the Holt Speed boats.   He was also a very good friend of the Association,  and the Richard Estaugh Fund https://www.gp14.org/members/grants-and-funds/ is named in his memory;   the initial capital for the fund was the proceeds of a raffle for boat no. 14000 which he donated to be used as we wished.

      I have now deleted my tentative comment about K & H Summersgill Boats,  who were based in Todmorden;    Graham has now clarified that I was mistaken in wondering whether they were the moulder which he had referred to.    Despite being registered boat builders with the Association for some time Graham advises that they were never actively involved with the Class,  which tallies with the fact that I have never come across any of their boats and have never heard of them in any context beyond their registration.

       

      Oliver

       

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    • #20321
      steve13003
      Participant

      When I was sorting out my Speed GP14 No 13954 I was told that at the time she was made Speed about 2008, Speed were very busy and that hulls and decks were being moulded by an outside company in Todmorden, never got the name, and then shipped back to Speed for the fit out before delivery.  At the start of this arrangement Speed provided the plywood reinforcement pieces, but later the sub contractor sourced the plywood reinforcement locally – they didn’t use a good quality plywood which in my boat and a number of others rotted, leading to structural failures in some key parts of the boat.

      Steve Corbet

    • #20956
      Oliver Shaw
      Moderator

      The first 25 boats

      Extract from a further email from Graham Knox today,  forwarding part of an email he had received from John Fenn-Wiggin of Shropshire SC:

      “The relevant part of the news that he received on email (in a very small font!) related to photos reads:

      “No 21 reminds us that the 12 GP14s the Club bought for Members early in 1951 came without any Bell logo on the Sails.

      “SSC had numbers 13 to 25 inclusive.   The first 12 GPs produced went to the Dovey Yacht Club at Aberdovey.

      “In October 1952 SSC hosted the first ever GP National Championships and over 40 boats entered.

      “SSC Member Fred Williams who owned a GP called Madame X (GP no. 15 I think) feared his skill was not up to a National Championship so he recruited Firefly sailor Janet Fenn-Wiggin to helm his boat for this special event.   They upset the form book and finished 2nd overall losing out on the Trophy to C H Acland of Windermere Sailing Club by only % of a point.”

       

      I was aware already that a few of the earliest boats had the letters “GP” in place of the Bell emblem.   Famously this includes Gareth’s South Bank,  and I also have a photo of a handicap class racing at Traeth Bych in about 1960 or ’61,  showing no. 445 similarly adorned.

       

      Oliver

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    • #20969
      Stewart
      Participant

      Oliver, Madam X I have as  No10. There is also a note against it that it was destroyed in a workshop fire around 2000. had been renamed ‘Barry the Boat. Also a mention on the early boat ie my 28 has Bell Woodworking label from Percy Road Leicester. So suggesting these early orders from Dovey SC was enough for them to make ‘a go’ of boat building.

      Keep safe

       

      Stewart

       

    • #20970
      Oliver Shaw
      Moderator

      Stewart,

      Thank you for that;   our respective recollections (at secondhand,  in my case at least) have a large measure of agreement,  and where there are gaps they complement each other.

      I had also heard (I think from Gareth) that no. 10 was destroyed in a workshop fire at around that time,   and that the workshop was that of Don Marine,  and that their proprietor (not the boat) was known as “Barry the Boat”.     It is many years ago that I heard that,  I would guess somewhere around 2007,  when the news was still comparatively recent.

      Interesting that you have Madam X  as no. 10,  for which it would of course be highly appropriate,  whereas John Fenn-Wiggin tentatively gives Madam X ‘s number as 15  –  but he does qualify that comment with “I think”.   I suspect that you are working from documentary records,  and that coupled with the appropriateness of the name for no. 10 would seem to swing the balance in the detective work!

       

      Oliver

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    • #21017
      Richard
      Participant

      No 10 was called  Siskin and was briefly at Penarth Motor Boat and Sailing Club in the late 1960s / early 1970s and I think belonged to Barry Richards, subsequently of Don Marine fame, even then.

      One of the more successful racers at PMC at the time was Geoff Titterton who had No 41 Annina (questionable spelling?) notwithstanding sail numbers were well into 7000s.

      Richard

       

    • #21018
      Oliver Shaw
      Moderator

      Thank you for that additional information.

      I therefore wonder about Madame X,  or Madam X,  with or without the French “e”.

      It seems unlikely that a long-term owner would change the name of his boat part way through his ownership;   if one is going to change the name I would expect this to be more or less immediately one acquires the boat.    But Stewart’s records  –  I think taken from the successive published Class Handbooks  –  seem to have no. 10 as Madam X (no “e”),  although John Fenn-Wiggin (qualified by “I think”) identifies her as no. 15.

       

      Oliver

    • #21069
      Oliver Shaw
      Moderator

      Two emails received from Christopher Godber,  who wrote the recent article in Mainsail on THE BELL STORY.

      “Thank you for email

      “You have an interesting series of forum posts on the founding of the GP Association and the background to the Bell symbol.

      You will have also read my BELL STORY article I wrote for the GP Association newsletter last Autumn.

      “Unfortunately I was not sent a copy of my article for proof reading and by the time it was published more research had

      revealed that some of the facts were no longer 100% accurate.

      “The changes are basically as follows:-

      “The number of boats delivered to the Dovey Club was 10 not 12

      “The actual sail numbers of the 12 boats delivered to the Shropshire Sailing Club were 11 to 23 inclusive.

      Madame X owned by G F. Williams a Shropshire Sailing Club Member was No 11.   This boat finished 2nd in the first national Championships in 1952 sailed at SSC at Whitemere,  Shropshire.   It was helmed in the Championships by Janet Fenn-Wiggin a Firefly sailor recruited by Fred Williams as he lacked confidence in his own ability for the big event.

      “Some of these facts you have already reported after information received from John Fenn-Wiggin – the son of Janet.

      “The reason I am now certain on the numbers of the initial SSC 12 boats is that an SSC Member has produced 1952 and 1953 listings of SSC Members Boats and they are listed from No 11 onwards.

      ——————————————————-

      “Herewith the photo. It is a Press Cutting taken from October 1953 and features The Shropshire Sailing Club Open GP Meeting, Unfortunately the copy that has been sent me is very poor quality.

      “It is the SSC Club open meeting twelve months after the 1st GP National Championships.

      “Despite the poor quality you can hopefully make out the sail numbers.

      “GP 11,13 and 21 have no Bell symbols on their sails and all these 3 boats were SSC Members from their 1951 batch of 12 boats.

      “There are two anomalies in that GP 10 and GP 18 do have the Bell symbol on their sails ,  GP 10 and GP 18 were owned by SSC Members from the batch of 12 boats,  so I think we can assume that they had  new sets of sails delivered AFTER the Bell symbol had been formally adopted.”

       

      Many thanks to Christopher for this additional information.

       

       

      Oliver

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    • #21074
      Oliver Shaw
      Moderator

      Christopher Godber has now sent me a scan of the Shropshire SC’s printed boat list for 1957 (attached),  which clarifies that Madame X (spelled with an “e”) was indeed boat no. 10.   Since this is documentary evidence from the time,  it would appear at this stage to be conclusive   –   unless contradictory documentary evidence turns up later somewhere else   …   …

      Christopher also points out that “By 1957 some of the original batch of numbers had moved on so for example C Lyth Hudson who had GP 21 originally had bought himself a newer boat.”

       

      Oliver

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    • #21706
      Oliver Shaw
      Moderator

      Sail Numbers

      I think it is moderately well known that the very first sail numbers were issued in batches to clubs,  who then issued them onwards to their members as boats were built.   So globally they were not in strict chronological order because,  for example,  the first two groups were issued to Dovey Yacht Club (its name at that time,  now Dovey SC),  and to Shropshire SC;   so it would have been effectively impossible for the two clubs to keep exactly in step with each other as they issued numbers.   Then add in other early clubs,  such as Holyhead,  Royal Windermere,  and Royal Northumberland,  and clearly numbers were never going to be issued in strict sequence.   I am not certain when that practice changed,  so that all sail numbers were issued centrally,  but a reasonable guess is that it was before 1956,  and probably much earlier.

      It is also moderately well known that E. Howard-Davies,  a co-founder of the Association and our first President,  who on stepping down as President then served as Secretary,  was not only allowed sail number 1,  but was allowed to retain the number through at least two boats – and I think three.

      Less well known is that the Championship-winning Warden Owen brothers managed to arrange a sequence of related sail numbers for their successive boats.   David won the 1970 Nationals in Gwladys Too,  no. 830;   Edward won the 1971 Nationals in Gwladys Fore,  no. 8830;   then Edward again won the 1974 Nationals in Gwladys V, no. 9830,  and the 1976 Nationals in Gwladys VI,  no. 10830.  (The missing ones in the sequence,  the original Gwladys,  and Gwladys 3 (however that would have been spelled) are conspicuous by their absence.)

      But one cannot (normally) these days have one’s choice of sail number significantly ahead of due sequence.    My own much-loved 1961 Sills-built boat which I had for about 10 years from the mid sixties was no. 4229;   but when I was ordering A Capella,  as a new build from Tim Harper in 2005,  and would have liked sail number 14229 I was told I would have to wait many years before it became available!

       

      Oliver

    • #21793
      richard.ham1
      Participant

      If I have attached successfully a PDF of the 1976 Handbook (25th anniversary) you will see the boats numbered 1- 229 and that no 10 was Siskin – Barry Richards’ boat.

      1830 Gwaldys Tri was immaculate in the mid 1970s and belonged to a bloke (Dave Smith?) from Combs. It was next to us in a championship dinghy park.

      Richard

       

       

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    • #21795
      Oliver Shaw
      Moderator

      Thank you for that.     So the various documents now uploaded show that no. 10 was called Madame X in 1957,  and that the name had been changed to Siskin by 1976 (and quite possibly some time prior to that,  perhaps by the late sixties,  quite possibly when acquired by Barry Richards).

      She was of course not by any means the only boat to undergo a name change.

      Thank you also for the information about Gwladys Tri.

      Anyone know anything about the original Gwladys?   (I presume that there was one.)

       

      Oliver

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