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- This topic has 9 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 9 months ago by norman.
21/06/2022 at 7:10 pm #24029
Hi new to the 14 association
Got a fixer upper sail no 8624 ish
Anyone know what these are please
21/06/2022 at 7:35 pm #24031
Tried to load a picture but won’t let my sorry
21/06/2022 at 7:43 pm #24032
21/06/2022 at 7:51 pm #24033Chris AubreyParticipant
try this link, it will take you to a website for that sells self bailers, not sure if its the correct size.
- This reply was modified 9 months, 1 week ago by Chris Aubrey.
21/06/2022 at 7:56 pm #24035Oliver ShawModerator
I see that Chris has (possibly) identified what you are trying to show us without the benefit of seeing a photo.
If you wish to load photos, which would be helpful, you would seem to need to reduce the filesize. There are various pieces of software which will do that; I use the photo-editing software that I have anyway for other reasons.
Hope this helps,
21/06/2022 at 8:06 pm #24036
Hi thanks for the reply
I’ll try to load a picture
There are two one red top and one green top
It says on the top saylon pat 426/ny
21/06/2022 at 8:40 pm #24037
21/06/2022 at 11:42 pm #24039Oliver ShawModerator
Ah!! … …
That is a Barton pattern self-bailer, which was popular in (I think) the sixties and seventies, or one of its clones. (What it is to have a long memory, but unfortunately what goes with that territory is a gradual erosion of physical prowess, as the ageing process takes its toll … …).
If it can be cleaned up, and if it works, you may wish to retain it. However it is a very early (and somewhat crude) design, and later designs work far better; they start working at lower speeds, and they shift water more rapidly. In particular the Elvstrom bailer, later marketed as the Andersen, is vastly more effective. A second factor is that the vertical underwater protrusion of the Barton risked hull damage if you happened to ground the boat on a hard surface – which could even be a sandy beach – while the bailers were down. However the Andersens – with their sloping protrusions hinged at the front – simply close themselves in those circumstances.
So you may alternatively wish to scrap the old Barton ones and do the necessary surgery – which is reasonably straightforward if you have mainstream DIY skills – and install a pair of Andersens to replace them. But that will involve surgery.
What it is to have a choice … …
Hope this helps,
22/06/2022 at 5:27 pm #24040
Hi Oliver thanks for the information
At present the bailers are blanked off so for the time being will stay as is
I’ve just rebuilt the centre board case to stop leaking but alas no such luck
I’ve now moved onto laminating a new transom and keel so fingers crossed
Kind regards karle
25/06/2022 at 6:38 pm #24053normanParticipant
Hi Karle, Have just, by chance, discovered a baler like the one in Chris’s link in my garage. I think it is sound. I always called it an Elvstrom baler, but that was years ago. Contact me on [email protected] and it’s yours for the postage.
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