Need new rudder blade – anyone got a spare they can sell ?

GP14 Sailing forum Forum Need new rudder blade – anyone got a spare they can sell ?

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  • #12108

    Mark
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    Hi All  Im a new GP14 owner but my lifting rudder blade snapped recovering from a gust that nearly had me over a couple of weeks ago, the dinghy is 1960 and the  stock is 1.7 cm in diameter. Does anyone have a spare rudder they can sell me ? The original that snapped was only a cm width of marine ply with spacers to fill the difference between 1.7  – seems rather slim now on reflection. Perhaps that’s normal for older boats –  ? Anyway, out of action now – can you help !?

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    Thanks,

    Mark

    #12109

    Mark
    Member

    <p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1em; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.5; color: #555555; font-family: ‘Source Sans Pro’, sans-serif; background-color: #fbfbfb;”>Hi All  Im a new GP14 owner but my lifting rudder blade snapped recovering from a gust that nearly had me over a couple of weeks ago, the dinghy is 1960 and the  stock is 1.7 cm in diameter. Does anyone have a spare rudder they can sell me ? The original that snapped was only a cm width of marine ply with spacers to fill the difference between 1.7  – seems rather slim now on reflection. Perhaps that’s normal for older boats –  ? Anyway, out of action now – can you help !?</p>
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    #12110

    Mark
    Member

    <p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1em; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.5; color: #555555; font-family: ‘Source Sans Pro’, sans-serif; background-color: #fbfbfb;”>Hi All  Im a new GP14 owner but my lifting rudder blade snapped recovering from a gust that nearly had me over a couple of weeks ago, the dinghy is 1960 and the  stock is 1.7 cm in diameter. Does anyone have a spare rudder they can sell me ? The original that snapped was only a cm width of marine ply with spacers to fill the difference between 1.7  – seems rather slim now on reflection. Perhaps that’s normal for older boats –  ? Anyway, out of action now – can you help !?</p>
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    #12112

    Oliver Shaw
    Moderator

    Bad luck with the rudder blade.

    You are absolutely right to be suspicious of the old blade,  and with that thickness I suspect it is a previous owner’s el cheapo replacement.   Indeed I would not trust plywood,  even of the correct thickness,  because it is not as strong as solid hardwood.

    Plywood’s great asset as regards strength is that it is (approximately) equally strong both along the visible grain and at right angles to that direction;   but this is at the price of being not as strong as solid wood along the grain.    Where the loading can be in any direction plywood has a lot to commend it,  but where the loading is primarily in one direction and the grain can be lined up to match the load solid hardwood will always be stronger in that favoured direction.

    I don’t often hear of rudder blades breaking,  but centreboards are a very different matter,  although the principles are similar.   Whenever I hear of a GP14 having broken a centreboard my first question is “Was it a plywood one?”    To date the response,  absolutely 100%,  has been YES.   ‘Nuff said!

    Best practice is solid hardwood laminated up from strips of medium width (the width is not critical);  these should be cut from a single length,  and then alternate strips in the laminate turned end for end to eliminate any tendency to warp.    Bond the strips with thickened epoxy;   “rubbed joints” are fine,  but accurate biscuit joints if you have access to the necessary tools are arguably preferable.

    I have a couple of spare rudders from my vintage boats,  which are not currently in use.    I don’t want to sell either of them,  but would happily lend one of them if that helps,  and you could have the use of it for at least the rest of this season.    Unless you are near enough to collect (from Liverpool) it would be sensible to send you only the blade,  to save carriage charges.   These are the old traditional “spoon” shape,  not the modern rectangular blade.

    The complication is in another very few days that I shall be away for the rest of the summer,  so if this is of help we will need to get cracking on it.

     

    Oliver

    #12113

    Mark
    Member

    <br style=”color: #000000; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; text-size-adjust: auto;” /><span style=”color: #000000; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; text-size-adjust: auto;”>Thanks Oliver – thats great advice and also very generous – yes my blade is a slightly off balance spoon-shape (!) and I would be most grateful if you would lend me one whilst I get one made up – at present even ordering fibreglass has a 6 weeks lead-time.</span>
    <div class=”” style=”color: #000000; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; text-size-adjust: auto;”>I’m actually in Bristol, so mailing would be best if you are prepared to do it, my work address (best for deliveries) is cxpartners ltd, <span class=”” style=”color: #3f3f3f; font-weight: 900; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;”>Bristol, </span><span class=”” style=”color: #636363; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;”>2 College Square, </span><span class=”” style=”color: #222222; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 13.2px; font-size: 11px;”><span style=”color: #636363;”>Bristol</span><span style=”color: #666666;”> </span></span><span style=”font-family: arial, sans-serif; color: #666666; font-size: xx-small;”><span class=”” style=”font-family: ‘trebuchet ms’, sans-serif;”>BS1 5UE</span><span class=”” style=”font-family: Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 13.2px;”>,</span><span class=”” style=”font-family: Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 13.2px;”> </span></span><span class=”” style=”color: #636363; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 13.2px; font-size: 11px;”>UK. </span>As you are going away perhaps you could share your bank details with me via my personal email and I will transfer the cost of delivery directly into your account. In the meantime I am going to see a traditional boat builder who is just establishing themselves in Underfall Yard In Bristol on Friday, to see if I can persuade the to make me one from hardwood as you describe. I will take some time Im sure.</div>
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    <div class=”” style=”color: #000000; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; text-size-adjust: auto;”>I totally understand if you run out of time, but  if not thanks for both the advice and the board !</div>
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    <div class=”” style=”color: #000000; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; text-size-adjust: auto;”>All the best,</div>
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    <div class=”” style=”color: #000000; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; text-size-adjust: auto;”>Mark (markhicks@blueyonder.co.uk)</div>

    #12114

    Oliver Shaw
    Moderator

    All being well I shall be travelling down to Milford Haven on July 15th or 16th,  towing my 20-ft trailer-sailer.   I haven’t yet decided on my route,  but using the motorway has a certain amount to commend it even though it is significantly further.   It might be possible to meet in the Bristol area.

    Perhaps you would like to email me off-list at acapella13934 “AT” talktalk.net and we can then take things further.

     

    Oliver

    #12115

    steve13003
    Participant

    Mark

    I have a spare straight rudder blade that is made from solid wood and is standard thickness the top was cut to fit an alloy rudder stock, it may need to be changed to suit you stock.  You are welcome to buy it for £20 plus postage unless you want to collect from Leigh on sea Essex.  It was originally advertised on the web pages with a Milanes blade which I sold to another member a few weeks ago, that would have been more than you wanted as it was a Super racing blade with the alloy stock.

    contact me off line at scorbet@btinternet.com if interested

    Steve

    #12123

    stephen parry
    Participant

    Dear Mike, I have a spare blade of the correct vintage and made of solid mahogany. It is thinner than the one that I now use but in good condition (the stock was starting to split so I made a new one and fitted it to a later blade that we had kicking around the club). Let me know if you want it, I am in York and would be happy to let you come and help yourself to it  FOC..Steve Parry Association Secretary

    #12148

    Oliver Shaw
    Moderator

    Mark,

    I presume that in the light of two offers to sell you a blade,  my offer of the loan of one pro tem is no longer required?

    Regards,

     

    Oliver

    #12168

    Mark
    Member

    Hi Oliver, sorry for the tardiness I’ve been travelling – yes you are right it makes more sense for me to follow the permanent options than your very kind offer of a loan.

    Thank you again , and enjoy your sailing in the West Country

    Mark

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 1 week ago by  Mark.
    #12170

    Mark
    Member

    Hi Stephen, I think I have another solution, however thanks for offering to help out, much appreciated

    Mark

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 1 week ago by  Mark.
    #12171

    Mark
    Member

    That’s s very generous offer Steve, would you be prepared to post it at my expense to Bristol ? I must give you something for it. Please name a favoured bottle or something !

    Mark

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 1 week ago by  Mark.
    #12183

    Mark
    Member

    Hi Steve, Have i missed the boat on this ? or perhaps my poor email etiquette has made it impossible to penetrate my earlier mails (which were a bit of a mess) ! In any case, still very interested if the blade offer is still open.

    Thanks,

    Mark

    #12188

    stephen parry
    Participant

    Hi Mark, Please contact me direct; slparry@gmail.com and we can sort something out, I shall be going to Looe on 4th August and staying over night at Taunton Holiday Inn Express, you could perhaps collect from there.

    Steve

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